Adva**ni by Truth on Oct 07, 2008 02:57 AM
According to Advani’s daughter-in-law, Gaura Advani, his Special Assistant for two years before she married his son, Jayant, Advani is not the devout Hindu we see in public, she alleges that the family practices Sikhism. She has claimed on oath that he is a dual personality, the Hindu chauvinism on display is faked for political purpose, the Advani family in private being quite contemptuous of Hindu beliefs and practices . Her affidavit asserts that having won only a couple of Lok Sabha (Indian Parliament) seats in the 80s, Advani (and the inner circle of BJP) decided in 1990 that the only way to come to power was to stoke Hindu nationalism.
please save hinduism in nepal
dear blog reader,
i recieved a letter from somebody with the title, please save hinduism in nepal, i ansswered him the floowing letter. but my cry is :
PLEASE SAVE HUMANITY AND HINDUISM IN INDIAmy l
who can do that ???????????????????????????????????
_- - - - - - --- - - -my reply to the appeal maker.- - - - - - -- -down- - - - - -
jai Pashupatinath,
dear fellow hindu,
thanks for your appeal. you have somehow taken my address from somewhere, thinking i am a Hindu.
Yes ! i have a hindu name, hindu parents, living in India, but like all so called hindu population in India, i am not a hindu. i only have a hindu name.
we in india , so called hindus are only hindus for name sake.
i am 54, well educated , but can not claim to have read any of my hindu-scripture like gita, ramayana, bhagwat, puran, or veda or upnishad. and i belong to a fortunate upper middle class family. travelled whole world, member of many hindu organisation.
and i know that most of people, so called hindus arround me, do not know a single shloka from any scripture. But we say we are hindus..
If by chance there is any armed attack by some non-hindu , terrerorist, in my locality, street, i will be the first person, along with most of my hindu neighbour , to run to my home, shutt the door.
I am not sure, when i would get any help from the indian government, or any other organisation.
This is the normal situation in India in big cities. and you are thinking , that some hinduus, will help some body in nepal, just because they are also hindus.
here is an address of a hindu organization i am recently in touch, but they only send mails. they never answer any mail. but still you can try.
www.hindujagruti.org
there are other organisations like RSS (rashtriya swyamsewak sangh) , one so called Hindu party with a lot of , so called Hindu leaders, past and future primeministers, you can try them.
I have full sympathy with you.
we are not able to save hinduism in India itself. actually it would be very difficult to find hindus in India.
why not you try some Human Right organisation run by some christian missionary.
i have sent your mail to some persons, which are Hindu sympathetic people in my view.
If some body want to say some thing about this spam mail, they are most welcome or can on my blog.:
http://worldisahome.blogspot.com/
Thanks and regards
ashok gupta
delhi, india
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letter recieved by me .:-
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: PLEASE SAVE HINDUISM IN NEPAL.
Dear Fellow Hindu Brothers and Sisters:
Nameste and my deepest and most humble greetings.
I write this letter to all of you with the hopes that you will help protect and save Hinduism in Nepal as you are all related to organizations concerned with Hinduism. I got all of your e-mails through searching the internet for Hindu organizations. I hope that you will spare some time to read this mail. And please do forward this mail onto other people who you think can help.
As you may all well know, Nepal was the only Hindu country in the whole wide world until a few years ago until when it was undemocratically changed from that status to one of a secular nation. But I am not writing about that. That is a political matter. What I am writing about is the ways the politicians in Nepal have run all over our Hindu religious traditions. Please see the attached photos with this mail. These scanned photos are from the government run daily newspaper named Gorkhapatra, which is also the national daily of Nepal, from the date of Phagun 11, 2065 (February 22, 2009).
I do realize that it is all in Devanagari Nepalese, but that is the official language of Nepal, and I have hopes that Lord Pasupatinath will provide someone to translate the relevant text to you. Anyway, I will give you the gist of what is on the two scanned photos in the paragraph below.
The first photo (named “1 The Photo In Question”) shows part of the first page of Gorkhapatra which has the president of Nepal offering prayers for Lord Pasupatinath on the occasion of Shivaratri. The second photo is named “2 The Article In Question” and is from the third page of Gorkhapatra. The related article is the one on the top left side. The prayer in question is the prayer offered for the initial rites for Shivaratri, and this occurred on Phagun 10, 2065 (February 21, 2009). As written on the third page and shown on the second photo named “2 The Article In Question,” this is the initial prayer of Shivaratri for Lord Pasupatinath, and this prayer officially starts Shivaratri in all the places of worship for Lord Shiva in Nepal. There is also a sentence mentioning that the president was dressed in religious attire. This was the first time that this rite was performed by anyone other than a King of Nepal since Nepal was founded. As I am sure you are all aware, this year Shivaratri fell on Phagun 12, 2065 (February 23, 2009).
And on the photo named “1 The Photo In Question” and which appeared on the front pages of the national daily, on the left hand of the president, you will see that he is wearing a watch with a LEATHER WRISTBAND. And only a FOOL would ever believe that the president of any country would wear a watch with imitation leather wristbands.
I am sorry if the resolution of the photos are not clear in this mail. That is why I have also zipped the two photos and also attached them with this mail in a file named “Save Hinduism In Nepal.”
I am sure you are all aware that there is great diversity of beliefs prevalent in Hinduism. Some Hindus will be strict vegetarians while others are not. There is also a great deal of diversity in the way Hindu people observe the same festivals, and this can be seen not just in different parts of the world but also in the same neighbourhood. For example, some Hindus will observe the festival of Dasain, which is also known as Dasara and Navaratri and also by many different names in different parts of the world, by following strict vegetarian rules and also by not even eating onions or garlic even though normally they may be non-vegetarians, and there are also some Hindus who perform animal scarifies on the very same festival. Such is the diversity of our religion. So one say there are not very many strictly followed rules in our religion. We can all go our own way. But there are still some universal don’ts. Nowhere in our religion is it permissible to wear or bear any item of leather when partaking in an important prayer of Lord Shiva. THIS IS A GRAVE AND SACRILEGIOUS ACT. This is not the same thing as when one shrine or temple falls in your way when you are going elsewhere and you offer your prayers without even bothering to take off any items of leather on you. And in any case, one does not go inside the temple or shrine in such a case after all. The prayer in question is a significant part of the official ceremony for worshiping Lord Pasupatinath, the holiest shrine in the entire world for Lord Shiva on the occasion of Shivaratri, the most important festival for Lord Shiva. THIS IS A GRAVE AND SACRILEGIOUS ACT. And the president was praying on the behalf of all of Nepalese. This is a great burden of sin that he has placed on the shoulders of all of us Nepalese.
There are many among of us who were wondering in the first place if any prayers offered by one of the same politicians who removed Hinduism as the official religion of our country in their lust for power would even be acceptable to Lord Pasupatinath, but this photo removes all doubt. Even children know of this simple rule. But the president did not even bother to observe this most minimum rule of our religion. How arrogant and conceited is he and the other politicians?
I do not really know if it is true for this situation, but it is normally the case for such important rites that people observe a fast beforehand. Unfortunately, that photo cannot show what is inside of his stomach, and quite frankly I do not have any confidence that he maintained that much self-discipline. Not just because of what was on the photo, but also because, after all, he was a member of a political party, the Nepali Congress which is also the biggest opposition party in Nepal right now, before he became the president, the very same party that went against its own party constitution that was for a Hindu Nepal and which suddenly became secularist in an attempt to appease the then rebels, the Maoist Party, in the Congress party’s futile attempt to regain power. They were the biggest party before the elections so they had their reasons to hope for a chance to regain power. So you see, I have no confidence that such people will maintain the sanctity and dignity of our religion.
And I am sure you are aware, the Maoist Party led government of Nepal tried to change the centuries old tradition of having the main priest from South India for The Pasupatinath Temple. Because of this, this most holiest of temples in our Hindu religion was closed for several days.
In Nepal, it is also customary for the head of the nation, now the president, to receive blessing from the Kumari of the capital city Kathmandu on Indrajatra, an important festival of Nepal. As I sure all of you know, the Kumari is a Living Goddess. But again, the same nagging doubt still remains. Are such politicians even worthy of such an honour? To give such a high religious honour to the same people who sold out our religion in their lust for political power?
What I want to ask is, why is it that the politicians only attack Hindu sensibilities? And why is it only the Hindu festivals that they officially defile with their presence? Why does the president not observe the holy month of Ramadan with our fellow Nepalese brothers and sisters of the Muslim faith? Is it too hard for him? Or is he not so secular? And why does he not celebrate Christmas with our fellow Nepalese brothers and sisters of the Christian faith? And that to at their most important church in Nepal? Sadly, and with no disrespect meant to any Christian in any part of the world, Christians have a history of never agreeing on so many things so I do not think that all the Christians of Nepal agreeing on which is the most important church will ever happen. But due to our country’s culture, history and heritage, we Hindus in Nepal have had no such problems till now. Our country’s culture has always been rooted in Hindu tradition and so we have no confusions on which temples the head of state must go to on which occasions.
And do they even know with how high a honour they are being graced with? Do they even care? Looking at the photo, I do not think so. To them, it is just another opportunity to get their photos printed on the papers, nothing else. To them, it is just another opportunity for publicity, just another photo op sadly.
As a point of principle, such people should never even be allowed in Hindu temples or any other places of worship for other religions for that matter. If they could not be true or respectful to their own religions, only fools would even hope that they would be respectful to other religions. If Christians hand done the same thing, they would have been excommunicated. If they had been Muslims, something may be even worse. But you know, in our country, they have not just been defiling our traditional sacred Hindu rites with their presence, there have also been times when some temples have been inaugurated by ministers, people who voted to remove Hinduism as the official religion of our country. How stupid is that? Is there a provision for excommunication in our religion? No priests should go to such people’s homes to perform any religious Hindu ceremonies required in their household let alone let them even near any temples.
The very politicians who removed the only Hindu Nation in the whole wide world are perpetrating all of these changes in our Hindu traditions. And after all, it is our traditional rites that define our culture. It would not be so bad if a high-ranking Hindu official, such as a Sankaracarya, had approved all of these changes but sadly these changes were not.
Our religion is the third largest religion in the whole world, the oldest one religion in the whole world, and there are Hindus in all parts of the world. Hindu people have been overcoming prejudices against our religion in all parts of the world, but for our religion to be so disrespected in a country that was just recently the only Hindu Nation in the world, and that to by a member of the Hindu community?
I think I do not need to tell you that a place of worship, of whichever religion, belongs to the whole world. And the disrespecting of one place of worship touches us all. And this is not just any temple; this is in regards to the most important temple of Lord Shiva and that to on the occasion of Shivaratri. Please, such a sacrilegious act will affect Hindus all over the world. Please do something.
Is our religion to be so debased just to be a photo op for politicians who do not even respect our religion? Is our religion just a plaything for them? As I mentioned before, the politicians only target our Hindu religion. Can no one do anything to stop them?
I hope that you will excuse me for wanting to remain anonymous, but right now Nepal is going through a very dangerous period, and I think that it be best not to be make so many powerful enemies. People are still disappearing for speaking against the government (please see http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2009/mar/mar17/news01.php). And here I am speaking against not just against the government but also the very powerful opposition, and so…
I talked to priests, journalists, members of Hindu organizations, but sadly they are too afraid to do anything.
Please, do something.
If you have any questions, please do mail me, but please bear in mind that we in Nepal are facing an acute shortage or electricity. Ever since when our government caused Pasupatinath Temple to be closed for some days and be kept in the dark, we in Kathmandu Valley have been having only about some hours of electricity per day. And ever since Shivaratri, that has also decreased so that we are only receiving eight hours of electricity per day in two shifts of four hours in the a.m. and then also four hours in the p.m. And by that I mean just that, but the fours hours may start at 4 a.m. in the morning and end at 8 a.m. on some days and also 12 a.m. till 4 a.m. So we have to try to work, cook, do a lot of things etc. on these two slots of four hour. Some people are already saying that these are all signs of Lord Pasupatinath’s displeasure. Due to this, finding time for e-mailing is not that easy. But I will try answer as quickly as possible. This is also the reason I could not send the mail earlier; it took so much time to look for all of these e-mail address.
And lastly, I would like to express that we Hindus in Nepal were betrayed by people of the Hindu religion and not by any other religion. I bear no ill will towards other religions. Quite frankly, due to our liberal Hindu traditions, we in Nepal have had very few problems of a religious nature.
And Dear Fellow Hindu Brothers and Sisters, I will end this mail. Please do try to help. And please do forward this mail to anyone who you think can be of help.
Nameste and my deepest and most humble farewell.
A Very Troubled Fellow Hindu From Nepal.
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i recieved a letter from somebody with the title, please save hinduism in nepal, i ansswered him the floowing letter. but my cry is :
PLEASE SAVE HUMANITY AND HINDUISM IN INDIAmy l
who can do that ???????????????????????????????????
_- - - - - - --- - - -my reply to the appeal maker.- - - - - - -- -down- - - - - -
jai Pashupatinath,
dear fellow hindu,
thanks for your appeal. you have somehow taken my address from somewhere, thinking i am a Hindu.
Yes ! i have a hindu name, hindu parents, living in India, but like all so called hindu population in India, i am not a hindu. i only have a hindu name.
we in india , so called hindus are only hindus for name sake.
i am 54, well educated , but can not claim to have read any of my hindu-scripture like gita, ramayana, bhagwat, puran, or veda or upnishad. and i belong to a fortunate upper middle class family. travelled whole world, member of many hindu organisation.
and i know that most of people, so called hindus arround me, do not know a single shloka from any scripture. But we say we are hindus..
If by chance there is any armed attack by some non-hindu , terrerorist, in my locality, street, i will be the first person, along with most of my hindu neighbour , to run to my home, shutt the door.
I am not sure, when i would get any help from the indian government, or any other organisation.
This is the normal situation in India in big cities. and you are thinking , that some hinduus, will help some body in nepal, just because they are also hindus.
here is an address of a hindu organization i am recently in touch, but they only send mails. they never answer any mail. but still you can try.
www.hindujagruti.org
there are other organisations like RSS (rashtriya swyamsewak sangh) , one so called Hindu party with a lot of , so called Hindu leaders, past and future primeministers, you can try them.
I have full sympathy with you.
we are not able to save hinduism in India itself. actually it would be very difficult to find hindus in India.
why not you try some Human Right organisation run by some christian missionary.
i have sent your mail to some persons, which are Hindu sympathetic people in my view.
If some body want to say some thing about this spam mail, they are most welcome or can on my blog.:
http://worldisahome.blogspot.com/
Thanks and regards
ashok gupta
delhi, india
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letter recieved by me .:-
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: PLEASE SAVE HINDUISM IN NEPAL.
Dear Fellow Hindu Brothers and Sisters:
Nameste and my deepest and most humble greetings.
I write this letter to all of you with the hopes that you will help protect and save Hinduism in Nepal as you are all related to organizations concerned with Hinduism. I got all of your e-mails through searching the internet for Hindu organizations. I hope that you will spare some time to read this mail. And please do forward this mail onto other people who you think can help.
As you may all well know, Nepal was the only Hindu country in the whole wide world until a few years ago until when it was undemocratically changed from that status to one of a secular nation. But I am not writing about that. That is a political matter. What I am writing about is the ways the politicians in Nepal have run all over our Hindu religious traditions. Please see the attached photos with this mail. These scanned photos are from the government run daily newspaper named Gorkhapatra, which is also the national daily of Nepal, from the date of Phagun 11, 2065 (February 22, 2009).
I do realize that it is all in Devanagari Nepalese, but that is the official language of Nepal, and I have hopes that Lord Pasupatinath will provide someone to translate the relevant text to you. Anyway, I will give you the gist of what is on the two scanned photos in the paragraph below.
The first photo (named “1 The Photo In Question”) shows part of the first page of Gorkhapatra which has the president of Nepal offering prayers for Lord Pasupatinath on the occasion of Shivaratri. The second photo is named “2 The Article In Question” and is from the third page of Gorkhapatra. The related article is the one on the top left side. The prayer in question is the prayer offered for the initial rites for Shivaratri, and this occurred on Phagun 10, 2065 (February 21, 2009). As written on the third page and shown on the second photo named “2 The Article In Question,” this is the initial prayer of Shivaratri for Lord Pasupatinath, and this prayer officially starts Shivaratri in all the places of worship for Lord Shiva in Nepal. There is also a sentence mentioning that the president was dressed in religious attire. This was the first time that this rite was performed by anyone other than a King of Nepal since Nepal was founded. As I am sure you are all aware, this year Shivaratri fell on Phagun 12, 2065 (February 23, 2009).
And on the photo named “1 The Photo In Question” and which appeared on the front pages of the national daily, on the left hand of the president, you will see that he is wearing a watch with a LEATHER WRISTBAND. And only a FOOL would ever believe that the president of any country would wear a watch with imitation leather wristbands.
I am sorry if the resolution of the photos are not clear in this mail. That is why I have also zipped the two photos and also attached them with this mail in a file named “Save Hinduism In Nepal.”
I am sure you are all aware that there is great diversity of beliefs prevalent in Hinduism. Some Hindus will be strict vegetarians while others are not. There is also a great deal of diversity in the way Hindu people observe the same festivals, and this can be seen not just in different parts of the world but also in the same neighbourhood. For example, some Hindus will observe the festival of Dasain, which is also known as Dasara and Navaratri and also by many different names in different parts of the world, by following strict vegetarian rules and also by not even eating onions or garlic even though normally they may be non-vegetarians, and there are also some Hindus who perform animal scarifies on the very same festival. Such is the diversity of our religion. So one say there are not very many strictly followed rules in our religion. We can all go our own way. But there are still some universal don’ts. Nowhere in our religion is it permissible to wear or bear any item of leather when partaking in an important prayer of Lord Shiva. THIS IS A GRAVE AND SACRILEGIOUS ACT. This is not the same thing as when one shrine or temple falls in your way when you are going elsewhere and you offer your prayers without even bothering to take off any items of leather on you. And in any case, one does not go inside the temple or shrine in such a case after all. The prayer in question is a significant part of the official ceremony for worshiping Lord Pasupatinath, the holiest shrine in the entire world for Lord Shiva on the occasion of Shivaratri, the most important festival for Lord Shiva. THIS IS A GRAVE AND SACRILEGIOUS ACT. And the president was praying on the behalf of all of Nepalese. This is a great burden of sin that he has placed on the shoulders of all of us Nepalese.
There are many among of us who were wondering in the first place if any prayers offered by one of the same politicians who removed Hinduism as the official religion of our country in their lust for power would even be acceptable to Lord Pasupatinath, but this photo removes all doubt. Even children know of this simple rule. But the president did not even bother to observe this most minimum rule of our religion. How arrogant and conceited is he and the other politicians?
I do not really know if it is true for this situation, but it is normally the case for such important rites that people observe a fast beforehand. Unfortunately, that photo cannot show what is inside of his stomach, and quite frankly I do not have any confidence that he maintained that much self-discipline. Not just because of what was on the photo, but also because, after all, he was a member of a political party, the Nepali Congress which is also the biggest opposition party in Nepal right now, before he became the president, the very same party that went against its own party constitution that was for a Hindu Nepal and which suddenly became secularist in an attempt to appease the then rebels, the Maoist Party, in the Congress party’s futile attempt to regain power. They were the biggest party before the elections so they had their reasons to hope for a chance to regain power. So you see, I have no confidence that such people will maintain the sanctity and dignity of our religion.
And I am sure you are aware, the Maoist Party led government of Nepal tried to change the centuries old tradition of having the main priest from South India for The Pasupatinath Temple. Because of this, this most holiest of temples in our Hindu religion was closed for several days.
In Nepal, it is also customary for the head of the nation, now the president, to receive blessing from the Kumari of the capital city Kathmandu on Indrajatra, an important festival of Nepal. As I sure all of you know, the Kumari is a Living Goddess. But again, the same nagging doubt still remains. Are such politicians even worthy of such an honour? To give such a high religious honour to the same people who sold out our religion in their lust for political power?
What I want to ask is, why is it that the politicians only attack Hindu sensibilities? And why is it only the Hindu festivals that they officially defile with their presence? Why does the president not observe the holy month of Ramadan with our fellow Nepalese brothers and sisters of the Muslim faith? Is it too hard for him? Or is he not so secular? And why does he not celebrate Christmas with our fellow Nepalese brothers and sisters of the Christian faith? And that to at their most important church in Nepal? Sadly, and with no disrespect meant to any Christian in any part of the world, Christians have a history of never agreeing on so many things so I do not think that all the Christians of Nepal agreeing on which is the most important church will ever happen. But due to our country’s culture, history and heritage, we Hindus in Nepal have had no such problems till now. Our country’s culture has always been rooted in Hindu tradition and so we have no confusions on which temples the head of state must go to on which occasions.
And do they even know with how high a honour they are being graced with? Do they even care? Looking at the photo, I do not think so. To them, it is just another opportunity to get their photos printed on the papers, nothing else. To them, it is just another opportunity for publicity, just another photo op sadly.
As a point of principle, such people should never even be allowed in Hindu temples or any other places of worship for other religions for that matter. If they could not be true or respectful to their own religions, only fools would even hope that they would be respectful to other religions. If Christians hand done the same thing, they would have been excommunicated. If they had been Muslims, something may be even worse. But you know, in our country, they have not just been defiling our traditional sacred Hindu rites with their presence, there have also been times when some temples have been inaugurated by ministers, people who voted to remove Hinduism as the official religion of our country. How stupid is that? Is there a provision for excommunication in our religion? No priests should go to such people’s homes to perform any religious Hindu ceremonies required in their household let alone let them even near any temples.
The very politicians who removed the only Hindu Nation in the whole wide world are perpetrating all of these changes in our Hindu traditions. And after all, it is our traditional rites that define our culture. It would not be so bad if a high-ranking Hindu official, such as a Sankaracarya, had approved all of these changes but sadly these changes were not.
Our religion is the third largest religion in the whole world, the oldest one religion in the whole world, and there are Hindus in all parts of the world. Hindu people have been overcoming prejudices against our religion in all parts of the world, but for our religion to be so disrespected in a country that was just recently the only Hindu Nation in the world, and that to by a member of the Hindu community?
I think I do not need to tell you that a place of worship, of whichever religion, belongs to the whole world. And the disrespecting of one place of worship touches us all. And this is not just any temple; this is in regards to the most important temple of Lord Shiva and that to on the occasion of Shivaratri. Please, such a sacrilegious act will affect Hindus all over the world. Please do something.
Is our religion to be so debased just to be a photo op for politicians who do not even respect our religion? Is our religion just a plaything for them? As I mentioned before, the politicians only target our Hindu religion. Can no one do anything to stop them?
I hope that you will excuse me for wanting to remain anonymous, but right now Nepal is going through a very dangerous period, and I think that it be best not to be make so many powerful enemies. People are still disappearing for speaking against the government (please see http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2009/mar/mar17/news01.php). And here I am speaking against not just against the government but also the very powerful opposition, and so…
I talked to priests, journalists, members of Hindu organizations, but sadly they are too afraid to do anything.
Please, do something.
If you have any questions, please do mail me, but please bear in mind that we in Nepal are facing an acute shortage or electricity. Ever since when our government caused Pasupatinath Temple to be closed for some days and be kept in the dark, we in Kathmandu Valley have been having only about some hours of electricity per day. And ever since Shivaratri, that has also decreased so that we are only receiving eight hours of electricity per day in two shifts of four hours in the a.m. and then also four hours in the p.m. And by that I mean just that, but the fours hours may start at 4 a.m. in the morning and end at 8 a.m. on some days and also 12 a.m. till 4 a.m. So we have to try to work, cook, do a lot of things etc. on these two slots of four hour. Some people are already saying that these are all signs of Lord Pasupatinath’s displeasure. Due to this, finding time for e-mailing is not that easy. But I will try answer as quickly as possible. This is also the reason I could not send the mail earlier; it took so much time to look for all of these e-mail address.
And lastly, I would like to express that we Hindus in Nepal were betrayed by people of the Hindu religion and not by any other religion. I bear no ill will towards other religions. Quite frankly, due to our liberal Hindu traditions, we in Nepal have had very few problems of a religious nature.
And Dear Fellow Hindu Brothers and Sisters, I will end this mail. Please do try to help. And please do forward this mail to anyone who you think can be of help.
Nameste and my deepest and most humble farewell.
A Very Troubled Fellow Hindu From Nepal.
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rss and bjp
day before yesterday, i had talk with a senior pracharak of rss. to understood as follows.
rss is a nationalist organisation. though dr hedgewar started it as to strenthen the hindus. but now the leadership is busy in strengthening the bjp only who has only the political aspirations.
so to do dharm prachar, i had to strengthen my own shradha , wishwas by my own effort. if i am strong in what i think, krishna is going to help me.
jai shree krishna.
rss is a nationalist organisation. though dr hedgewar started it as to strenthen the hindus. but now the leadership is busy in strengthening the bjp only who has only the political aspirations.
so to do dharm prachar, i had to strengthen my own shradha , wishwas by my own effort. if i am strong in what i think, krishna is going to help me.
jai shree krishna.
Biggest Enemies of Hinduus : so called hindus with a hindu name.
“Biggest Enemies of Hindus:-A Hinduvta vision!”
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ashok, on July 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am Said:
i do not know, who has build these pages, want to be in touch. my salutes to them.
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ashok, on July 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am Said:
i do not know, who has build these pages, want to be in touch. my salutes to them.
but my humble request is that, the biggest enemies of hindutva are those hindus who are well educated, and are hindus only for name sake,
they are bigger enemies then muslims or christians.
they have no pride in being hindu. they are IT scholors, IAS, ministers in india, but never go to temple, never read any scriptures and critisize each and every hindu thought.
those rich people, who spend millions in weddings, and say to pundit jee, that do the ceremony in hurry, as everybody is being disturbed from your long shlokas.
i am sorry to say and admit this.
ashok dasgashok34@yahoo.com
indians first on moon
here is a photo from the secret files of NASA, which shows indians are the first on moon.
54, years, just trying to understand , that un-understandable.
I wish to be in touch with the devotees of sri radharani and sri ramjee.
my life's aim and passion is to become instrumental in the service of radharani, by making a goshala (cow-dairy in vrindavan). thereby helping the brijwasees, and thereby helping my self.
I know, that i am not the doer. but if i have to do an acting of a doer, then why not do it.
and a few other projets to promote the words of Krishna in form of geta jee, bhagwatam, mahabharat, ramayana, and all upnishads and purans.
how is my idea ? if you have time or inclination, then send me a comment on this or directly on my e mail = ashok.gupta4@gmail.com.
I have no privacy from the devotees, i am in delhi, india. about 110 kilometer from vrindavan. any devotee coming to vrindavan, delhi is welcome at my home.
You might be knowing that, krishna spent a lot of time in delhi, with pandavs or say arjun. so delhi in actual sense is also a big teertha.
how you like it. ?
ashok dasanu das
I wish to be in touch with the devotees of sri radharani and sri ramjee.
my life's aim and passion is to become instrumental in the service of radharani, by making a goshala (cow-dairy in vrindavan). thereby helping the brijwasees, and thereby helping my self.
I know, that i am not the doer. but if i have to do an acting of a doer, then why not do it.
and a few other projets to promote the words of Krishna in form of geta jee, bhagwatam, mahabharat, ramayana, and all upnishads and purans.
how is my idea ? if you have time or inclination, then send me a comment on this or directly on my e mail = ashok.gupta4@gmail.com.
I have no privacy from the devotees, i am in delhi, india. about 110 kilometer from vrindavan. any devotee coming to vrindavan, delhi is welcome at my home.
You might be knowing that, krishna spent a lot of time in delhi, with pandavs or say arjun. so delhi in actual sense is also a big teertha.
how you like it. ?
ashok dasanu das
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: PLEASE SAVE HINDUISM IN NEPAL.
Dear Fellow Hindu Brothers and Sisters:
Nameste and my deepest and most humble greetings.
I write this letter to all of you with the hopes that you will help protect and save Hinduism in Nepal as you are all related to organizations concerned with Hinduism. I got all of your e-mails through searching the internet for Hindu organizations. I hope that you will spare some time to read this mail. And please do forward this mail onto other people who you think can help.
As you may all well know, Nepal was the only Hindu country in the whole wide world until a few years ago until when it was undemocratically changed from that status to one of a secular nation. But I am not writing about that. That is a political matter. What I am writing about is the ways the politicians in Nepal have run all over our Hindu religious traditions. Please see the attached photos with this mail. These scanned photos are from the government run daily newspaper named Gorkhapatra, which is also the national daily of Nepal, from the date of Phagun 11, 2065 (February 22, 2009).
I do realize that it is all in Devanagari Nepalese, but that is the official language of Nepal, and I have hopes that Lord Pasupatinath will provide someone to translate the relevant text to you. Anyway, I will give you the gist of what is on the two scanned photos in the paragraph below.
The first photo (named “1 The Photo In Question”) shows part of the first page of Gorkhapatra which has the president of Nepal offering prayers for Lord Pasupatinath on the occasion of Shivaratri. The second photo is named “2 The Article In Question” and is from the third page of Gorkhapatra. The related article is the one on the top left side. The prayer in question is the prayer offered for the initial rites for Shivaratri, and this occurred on Phagun 10, 2065 (February 21, 2009). As written on the third page and shown on the second photo named “2 The Article In Question,” this is the initial prayer of Shivaratri for Lord Pasupatinath, and this prayer officially starts Shivaratri in all the places of worship for Lord Shiva in Nepal. There is also a sentence mentioning that the president was dressed in religious attire. This was the first time that this rite was performed by anyone other than a King of Nepal since Nepal was founded. As I am sure you are all aware, this year Shivaratri fell on Phagun 12, 2065 (February 23, 2009).
And on the photo named “1 The Photo In Question” and which appeared on the front pages of the national daily, on the left hand of the president, you will see that he is wearing a watch with a LEATHER WRISTBAND. And only a FOOL would ever believe that the president of any country would wear a watch with imitation leather wristbands.
I am sorry if the resolution of the photos are not clear in this mail. That is why I have also zipped the two photos and also attached them with this mail in a file named “Save Hinduism In Nepal.”
I am sure you are all aware that there is great diversity of beliefs prevalent in Hinduism. Some Hindus will be strict vegetarians while others are not. There is also a great deal of diversity in the way Hindu people observe the same festivals, and this can be seen not just in different parts of the world but also in the same neighbourhood. For example, some Hindus will observe the festival of Dasain, which is also known as Dasara and Navaratri and also by many different names in different parts of the world, by following strict vegetarian rules and also by not even eating onions or garlic even though normally they may be non-vegetarians, and there are also some Hindus who perform animal scarifies on the very same festival. Such is the diversity of our religion. So one say there are not very many strictly followed rules in our religion. We can all go our own way. But there are still some universal don’ts. Nowhere in our religion is it permissible to wear or bear any item of leather when partaking in an important prayer of Lord Shiva. THIS IS A GRAVE AND SACRILEGIOUS ACT. This is not the same thing as when one shrine or temple falls in your way when you are going elsewhere and you offer your prayers without even bothering to take off any items of leather on you. And in any case, one does not go inside the temple or shrine in such a case after all. The prayer in question is a significant part of the official ceremony for worshiping Lord Pasupatinath, the holiest shrine in the entire world for Lord Shiva on the occasion of Shivaratri, the most important festival for Lord Shiva. THIS IS A GRAVE AND SACRILEGIOUS ACT. And the president was praying on the behalf of all of Nepalese. This is a great burden of sin that he has placed on the shoulders of all of us Nepalese.
There are many among of us who were wondering in the first place if any prayers offered by one of the same politicians who removed Hinduism as the official religion of our country in their lust for power would even be acceptable to Lord Pasupatinath, but this photo removes all doubt. Even children know of this simple rule. But the president did not even bother to observe this most minimum rule of our religion. How arrogant and conceited is he and the other politicians?
I do not really know if it is true for this situation, but it is normally the case for such important rites that people observe a fast beforehand. Unfortunately, that photo cannot show what is inside of his stomach, and quite frankly I do not have any confidence that he maintained that much self-discipline. Not just because of what was on the photo, but also because, after all, he was a member of a political party, the Nepali Congress which is also the biggest opposition party in Nepal right now, before he became the president, the very same party that went against its own party constitution that was for a Hindu Nepal and which suddenly became secularist in an attempt to appease the then rebels, the Maoist Party, in the Congress party’s futile attempt to regain power. They were the biggest party before the elections so they had their reasons to hope for a chance to regain power. So you see, I have no confidence that such people will maintain the sanctity and dignity of our religion.
And I am sure you are aware, the Maoist Party led government of Nepal tried to change the centuries old tradition of having the main priest from South India for The Pasupatinath Temple. Because of this, this most holiest of temples in our Hindu religion was closed for several days.
In Nepal, it is also customary for the head of the nation, now the president, to receive blessing from the Kumari of the capital city Kathmandu on Indrajatra, an important festival of Nepal. As I sure all of you know, the Kumari is a Living Goddess. But again, the same nagging doubt still remains. Are such politicians even worthy of such an honour? To give such a high religious honour to the same people who sold out our religion in their lust for political power?
What I want to ask is, why is it that the politicians only attack Hindu sensibilities? And why is it only the Hindu festivals that they officially defile with their presence? Why does the president not observe the holy month of Ramadan with our fellow Nepalese brothers and sisters of the Muslim faith? Is it too hard for him? Or is he not so secular? And why does he not celebrate Christmas with our fellow Nepalese brothers and sisters of the Christian faith? And that to at their most important church in Nepal? Sadly, and with no disrespect meant to any Christian in any part of the world, Christians have a history of never agreeing on so many things so I do not think that all the Christians of Nepal agreeing on which is the most important church will ever happen. But due to our country’s culture, history and heritage, we Hindus in Nepal have had no such problems till now. Our country’s culture has always been rooted in Hindu tradition and so we have no confusions on which temples the head of state must go to on which occasions.
And do they even know with how high a honour they are being graced with? Do they even care? Looking at the photo, I do not think so. To them, it is just another opportunity to get their photos printed on the papers, nothing else. To them, it is just another opportunity for publicity, just another photo op sadly.
As a point of principle, such people should never even be allowed in Hindu temples or any other places of worship for other religions for that matter. If they could not be true or respectful to their own religions, only fools would even hope that they would be respectful to other religions. If Christians hand done the same thing, they would have been excommunicated. If they had been Muslims, something may be even worse. But you know, in our country, they have not just been defiling our traditional sacred Hindu rites with their presence, there have also been times when some temples have been inaugurated by ministers, people who voted to remove Hinduism as the official religion of our country. How stupid is that? Is there a provision for excommunication in our religion? No priests should go to such people’s homes to perform any religious Hindu ceremonies required in their household let alone let them even near any temples.
The very politicians who removed the only Hindu Nation in the whole wide world are perpetrating all of these changes in our Hindu traditions. And after all, it is our traditional rites that define our culture. It would not be so bad if a high-ranking Hindu official, such as a Sankaracarya, had approved all of these changes but sadly these changes were not.
Our religion is the third largest religion in the whole world, the oldest one religion in the whole world, and there are Hindus in all parts of the world. Hindu people have been overcoming prejudices against our religion in all parts of the world, but for our religion to be so disrespected in a country that was just recently the only Hindu Nation in the world, and that to by a member of the Hindu community?
I think I do not need to tell you that a place of worship, of whichever religion, belongs to the whole world. And the disrespecting of one place of worship touches us all. And this is not just any temple; this is in regards to the most important temple of Lord Shiva and that to on the occasion of Shivaratri. Please, such a sacrilegious act will affect Hindus all over the world. Please do something.
Is our religion to be so debased just to be a photo op for politicians who do not even respect our religion? Is our religion just a plaything for them? As I mentioned before, the politicians only target our Hindu religion. Can no one do anything to stop them?
I hope that you will excuse me for wanting to remain anonymous, but right now Nepal is going through a very dangerous period, and I think that it be best not to be make so many powerful enemies. People are still disappearing for speaking against the government (please see http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2009/mar/mar17/news01.php). And here I am speaking against not just against the government but also the very powerful opposition, and so…
I talked to priests, journalists, members of Hindu organizations, but sadly they are too afraid to do anything.
Please, do something.
If you have any questions, please do mail me, but please bear in mind that we in Nepal are facing an acute shortage or electricity. Ever since when our government caused Pasupatinath Temple to be closed for some days and be kept in the dark, we in Kathmandu Valley have been having only about some hours of electricity per day. And ever since Shivaratri, that has also decreased so that we are only receiving eight hours of electricity per day in two shifts of four hours in the a.m. and then also four hours in the p.m. And by that I mean just that, but the fours hours may start at 4 a.m. in the morning and end at 8 a.m. on some days and also 12 a.m. till 4 a.m. So we have to try to work, cook, do a lot of things etc. on these two slots of four hour. Some people are already saying that these are all signs of Lord Pasupatinath’s displeasure. Due to this, finding time for e-mailing is not that easy. But I will try answer as quickly as possible. This is also the reason I could not send the mail earlier; it took so much time to look for all of these e-mail address.
And lastly, I would like to express that we Hindus in Nepal were betrayed by people of the Hindu religion and not by any other religion. I bear no ill will towards other religions. Quite frankly, due to our liberal Hindu traditions, we in Nepal have had very few problems of a religious nature.
And Dear Fellow Hindu Brothers and Sisters, I will end this mail. Please do try to help. And please do forward this mail to anyone who you think can be of help.
Nameste and my deepest and most humble farewell.
A Very Troubled Fellow Hindu From Nepal.
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srimad bhagwad gita jee links
here are some useful links about srimad bhagwad gita jee. :
http://www.gitaaonline.com/tag/%e0%a4%b6%e0%a5%8d%e0%a4%b0%e0%a5%80-%e0%a4%b9%e0%a4%b0%e0%a4%bf-%e0%a4%97%e0%a5%80%e0%a4%a4%e0%a4%be/
http://bhajans.ramparivar.com/2008/10/blog-post.html
http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Bhajans
http://www.gitasingalong.on.to/
http://www.advaitin.net/Vedanta%20Links.htm
how gita came to west-article
http://www.swaveda.com/articles.php?action=show&id=48
http://www.yogavidya.com/Yoga/BhagavadGita.pdf
http://www.bookrags.com/quotes/Hinduism
http://www.yogamovement.com/texts/gita.html
http://www.atmajyoti.org/pdfs/Gita-Sivananda.pdf
bhagwad gita sung in english
http://www.spiritual-happiness.com/scriptures.html
http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/rkm/gita-study-to-be-mandatory-at-seton-hall-university
http://www.gitaaonline.com/tag/%e0%a4%b6%e0%a5%8d%e0%a4%b0%e0%a5%80-%e0%a4%b9%e0%a4%b0%e0%a4%bf-%e0%a4%97%e0%a5%80%e0%a4%a4%e0%a4%be/
http://bhajans.ramparivar.com/2008/10/blog-post.html
http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Bhajans
http://www.gitasingalong.on.to/
http://www.advaitin.net/Vedanta%20Links.htm
how gita came to west-article
http://www.swaveda.com/articles.php?action=show&id=48
http://www.yogavidya.com/Yoga/BhagavadGita.pdf
http://www.bookrags.com/quotes/Hinduism
http://www.yogamovement.com/texts/gita.html
http://www.atmajyoti.org/pdfs/Gita-Sivananda.pdf
bhagwad gita sung in english
http://www.spiritual-happiness.com/scriptures.html
http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/rkm/gita-study-to-be-mandatory-at-seton-hall-university
atom-bomb and sri bhagvad-gita atom bomb gita srikrishna daas kinkar
"[T]he authority and influence of the Bhagavad Gita is such that it is usually raised to the status of an Upanishad. It has been called "India's favourite Bible", and with it's emhasis on selfless service it was a prime source of inspiration for Mahatma Gandhi."[53] Among the great sages and philosophers who have drawn inspiration from the Bhagavad Gita is Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, who initiated the public singing of the "Hare Krishna" mantra.
Robert Oppenheimer, American physicist and director of the Manhattan Project, learned Sanskrit in 1933 and read the Bhagavad Gita in the original, citing it later as one of the most influential books to shape his philosophy of life. Upon witnessing the world's first nuclear test in 1945, he quoted "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds" based on verse 32 from Chapter 11 of the Bhagavad Gita.[54][55]
A 2006 report suggests that the Gita is replacing the influence of the "The Art of War" (ascendant in the 1980s and '90s) in the Western business community. [56]
Robert Oppenheimer, American physicist and director of the Manhattan Project, learned Sanskrit in 1933 and read the Bhagavad Gita in the original, citing it later as one of the most influential books to shape his philosophy of life. Upon witnessing the world's first nuclear test in 1945, he quoted "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds" based on verse 32 from Chapter 11 of the Bhagavad Gita.[54][55]
A 2006 report suggests that the Gita is replacing the influence of the "The Art of War" (ascendant in the 1980s and '90s) in the Western business community. [56]
what is common between an atom-bomb and sri bhagvad-gita !
Physicist Robert OppenheimerSupervising Scientist Manhattan Project on 16 July 1945 at 0529 HRS,
in the Jornada del Muerto desert near
the Trinity site in the White Sands Missile Range.
...quoting from the Bhagavad-Gita upon
witnessing first atomic detonation by mankind.
The exact quote from the Bhagavad-Gita is:
If the radiance of a thousand sunsWere to burst at once into the skyThat would be like the splendor of the Mighty one...I am become Death,The shatterer of Worlds.
The Dawn of the Atomic Age
"The Atomic Age began at exactly 5:30 Mountain War Time on the morning of July 15, 1945, on a stretch of semi-desert land about 5 airline miles from Alamogordo, New Mexico.
"And just at that instance there rose from the bowels of the earth a light not of this world, the light of many suns in one."
William LaurenceNew York TimesSeptember 26, 1945
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Father of the Atomic bomb quoting the Bhagavad-Gita
Robert J. Oppenheimer."Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."A lot of scientests felt really bad about developing such a weapon. A lot of scientests believed it should have never been built. What do you think?
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"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that one way or another."- J. Robert Oppenheimer
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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita... "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
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The first nuclear test, which Oppenheimer designated "Trinity".
Trinity
Main article: Trinity test
See also: Bhagavad Gita#Influence of the Bhagavad Gita and Trinity test#Explosion
The joint work of the scientists at Los Alamos resulted in the first nuclear explosion near Alamogordo on July 16, 1945, the site of which Oppenheimer named "Trinity", Oppenheimer later said this name was from one of John Donne's Holy Sonnets. According to the historian Gregg Herken, this naming could have been an allusion to Jean Tatlock, who had committed suicide a few months previously, and had in the 1930s introduced Oppenheimer to Donne's work.[44] Oppenheimer later recalled that while witnessing the explosion he thought of a verse from the Hindu holy book, the Bhagavad Gita:
"
If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one...
"
Years later he would explain that another verse had also entered his head at that time: It is the famous verse, which begins as "Kalo Asmi" and was quoted by Oppenheimer after the successful detonation of the first nuclear weapon. He unfortunately mistranslated it as "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds". The more correct meaning of the Sanskrit words is,
"
I am Time grown old to destroy the world, Embarked on the course of world annihilation.
"
(This is how J.A.B. van Buitenen translated the above passage in his version of the Bhagavadgita).[45]
Oppenheimer later would be persuaded to quote again in 1965 for a television broadcast:
"
We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.'[46]
"
According to his brother, at the time Oppenheimer simply exclaimed, "It worked." News of the successful test was rushed to President Harry S. Truman, who authorized the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. Oppenheimer later became an important figure in the debates on the repercussions of this act.
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I am become death
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" Robert Oppenheimer, Trinity 1945
Robert Oppenheimer was the director of the laboratory in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and the scientific director of the Manhattan project. Since so many talents were involved it's somewhat misleading to call him "the father of the nuclear bomb", but he undeniably made one of the major individual contributions.
In an interview from 1965, Oppenheimer describes the initial reactions as the fruit of their labors, the very first nuclear bomb (the Hiroshima bomb was the second one), detonated early in the morning of July 16, 1945:
We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed... A few people cried... Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form, and says, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
The quote was something he thought, but he didn't say it.
The quote is indeed from the Bhagavad Gita ("Song of the lord"). Some suggest it's a misquote, which would explain the peculiar grammar; but "am become" is not an error but a (poetic) archaism, as in "I am become a name, for always roaming with a hungry heart" (Tennyson, Ulysses). Since Oppenheimer was proficient in sanskrit he apparently read the original text, and the translation is his; I haven't found any other translation that supports it. It certainly gives a certain something to the line, however, and it probably would have been less well known if it had been "I am death".
Here's the verse with a little context, from a translation by Ramanand Prasad. Prince Arjuna hesitates to attack the enemy with his army; Vishnu, in the incarnation of Krishna, encourages him, and motivates him by explaining how the world works, with reincarnations, Brahman, Maya etc. Arjuna asks to see Vishnu in his "cosmic", i.e. real, form, a wish that is granted. The overwhelmed Arjuna asks:
Tell me who are You in such a fierce form? My salutations to You, O best of gods, be merciful! I wish to understand You, the primal Being, because I do not know Your mission.
The Supreme Lord said: I am death, the mighty destroyer of the world, out to destroy. Even without your participation all the warriors standing arrayed in the opposing armies shall cease to exist.
Therefore, get up and attain glory. Conquer your enemies and enjoy a prosperous kingdom. All these (warriors) have already been destroyed by Me. You are only an instrument, O Arjuna.
Bhagavad Gita, chapter 11, verses 31-33
In an ancient Hindu scripture one might expect something a little less violent, but apparently the word that is here translated as "death" can also be interpreted as "time", which softens the message a little, at least if you're Hindu. I am pretty certain the word is kala, which can mean "time" or "dark". The feminine form is Kali, the infamous goddess of death.
Another quote frequently attributed to Oppenheimer, from the same event, and placed before "I am become death" to form a single message:
"If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One." "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
That verse is a part of the description of the cosmic form of Vishnu, and is thus found 20 verses before the other quote. Here's the verse according to Prasad:
If the splendor of thousands of suns were to blaze forth all at once in the sky, even that would not resemble the splendor of that exalted being.
Bhagavad Gita, chapter 11, verse 12
The single place where Oppenheimer himself appears to mention the "thousand suns"-quote is in Current Biography Yearbook; I haven't seen this source, but as it's described the two verses have been interpreted as a single one, a mistake that has been repeated innumerable times since. But it is indeed two different verses, albeit not too distant from each other.
It worked!
What Robert J. actually said after the detonation, according to his brother Frank Oppenheimer. Frank was also working within the Manhattan project, and was on location in Trinity.
Note: In Full metal jacket, the soldier Animal Mother has "I am become death" written on his helmet.
Sources: Interview with Robert Oppenheimer, from the documentary The Decision to Drop the Bomb, 1965 A short clip from the interview can be found all over the net, like here or here "Bomb Peril Cited by Oppenheimer", New York Times den 31 maj 1955 - quotes an article from Le Figaro Bhagavad Gita translated by Ramanand Prasad Bhagavad Gita in original sanskrit Everything2.com: Now I am become death..., with 11:32 translated by Swami Tripurari Current Biography Yearbook 1964, page 331; this source is mentioned at Bartleby.com
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in the Jornada del Muerto desert near
the Trinity site in the White Sands Missile Range.
...quoting from the Bhagavad-Gita upon
witnessing first atomic detonation by mankind.
The exact quote from the Bhagavad-Gita is:
If the radiance of a thousand sunsWere to burst at once into the skyThat would be like the splendor of the Mighty one...I am become Death,The shatterer of Worlds.
The Dawn of the Atomic Age
"The Atomic Age began at exactly 5:30 Mountain War Time on the morning of July 15, 1945, on a stretch of semi-desert land about 5 airline miles from Alamogordo, New Mexico.
"And just at that instance there rose from the bowels of the earth a light not of this world, the light of many suns in one."
William LaurenceNew York TimesSeptember 26, 1945
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Father of the Atomic bomb quoting the Bhagavad-Gita
Robert J. Oppenheimer."Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."A lot of scientests felt really bad about developing such a weapon. A lot of scientests believed it should have never been built. What do you think?
__________________
"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that one way or another."- J. Robert Oppenheimer
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We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita... "Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
The first nuclear test, which Oppenheimer designated "Trinity".
Trinity
Main article: Trinity test
See also: Bhagavad Gita#Influence of the Bhagavad Gita and Trinity test#Explosion
The joint work of the scientists at Los Alamos resulted in the first nuclear explosion near Alamogordo on July 16, 1945, the site of which Oppenheimer named "Trinity", Oppenheimer later said this name was from one of John Donne's Holy Sonnets. According to the historian Gregg Herken, this naming could have been an allusion to Jean Tatlock, who had committed suicide a few months previously, and had in the 1930s introduced Oppenheimer to Donne's work.[44] Oppenheimer later recalled that while witnessing the explosion he thought of a verse from the Hindu holy book, the Bhagavad Gita:
"
If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one...
"
Years later he would explain that another verse had also entered his head at that time: It is the famous verse, which begins as "Kalo Asmi" and was quoted by Oppenheimer after the successful detonation of the first nuclear weapon. He unfortunately mistranslated it as "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds". The more correct meaning of the Sanskrit words is,
"
I am Time grown old to destroy the world, Embarked on the course of world annihilation.
"
(This is how J.A.B. van Buitenen translated the above passage in his version of the Bhagavadgita).[45]
Oppenheimer later would be persuaded to quote again in 1965 for a television broadcast:
"
We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.'[46]
"
According to his brother, at the time Oppenheimer simply exclaimed, "It worked." News of the successful test was rushed to President Harry S. Truman, who authorized the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. Oppenheimer later became an important figure in the debates on the repercussions of this act.
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I am become death
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" Robert Oppenheimer, Trinity 1945
Robert Oppenheimer was the director of the laboratory in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and the scientific director of the Manhattan project. Since so many talents were involved it's somewhat misleading to call him "the father of the nuclear bomb", but he undeniably made one of the major individual contributions.
In an interview from 1965, Oppenheimer describes the initial reactions as the fruit of their labors, the very first nuclear bomb (the Hiroshima bomb was the second one), detonated early in the morning of July 16, 1945:
We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed... A few people cried... Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form, and says, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.
The quote was something he thought, but he didn't say it.
The quote is indeed from the Bhagavad Gita ("Song of the lord"). Some suggest it's a misquote, which would explain the peculiar grammar; but "am become" is not an error but a (poetic) archaism, as in "I am become a name, for always roaming with a hungry heart" (Tennyson, Ulysses). Since Oppenheimer was proficient in sanskrit he apparently read the original text, and the translation is his; I haven't found any other translation that supports it. It certainly gives a certain something to the line, however, and it probably would have been less well known if it had been "I am death".
Here's the verse with a little context, from a translation by Ramanand Prasad. Prince Arjuna hesitates to attack the enemy with his army; Vishnu, in the incarnation of Krishna, encourages him, and motivates him by explaining how the world works, with reincarnations, Brahman, Maya etc. Arjuna asks to see Vishnu in his "cosmic", i.e. real, form, a wish that is granted. The overwhelmed Arjuna asks:
Tell me who are You in such a fierce form? My salutations to You, O best of gods, be merciful! I wish to understand You, the primal Being, because I do not know Your mission.
The Supreme Lord said: I am death, the mighty destroyer of the world, out to destroy. Even without your participation all the warriors standing arrayed in the opposing armies shall cease to exist.
Therefore, get up and attain glory. Conquer your enemies and enjoy a prosperous kingdom. All these (warriors) have already been destroyed by Me. You are only an instrument, O Arjuna.
Bhagavad Gita, chapter 11, verses 31-33
In an ancient Hindu scripture one might expect something a little less violent, but apparently the word that is here translated as "death" can also be interpreted as "time", which softens the message a little, at least if you're Hindu. I am pretty certain the word is kala, which can mean "time" or "dark". The feminine form is Kali, the infamous goddess of death.
Another quote frequently attributed to Oppenheimer, from the same event, and placed before "I am become death" to form a single message:
"If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One." "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
That verse is a part of the description of the cosmic form of Vishnu, and is thus found 20 verses before the other quote. Here's the verse according to Prasad:
If the splendor of thousands of suns were to blaze forth all at once in the sky, even that would not resemble the splendor of that exalted being.
Bhagavad Gita, chapter 11, verse 12
The single place where Oppenheimer himself appears to mention the "thousand suns"-quote is in Current Biography Yearbook; I haven't seen this source, but as it's described the two verses have been interpreted as a single one, a mistake that has been repeated innumerable times since. But it is indeed two different verses, albeit not too distant from each other.
It worked!
What Robert J. actually said after the detonation, according to his brother Frank Oppenheimer. Frank was also working within the Manhattan project, and was on location in Trinity.
Note: In Full metal jacket, the soldier Animal Mother has "I am become death" written on his helmet.
Sources: Interview with Robert Oppenheimer, from the documentary The Decision to Drop the Bomb, 1965 A short clip from the interview can be found all over the net, like here or here "Bomb Peril Cited by Oppenheimer", New York Times den 31 maj 1955 - quotes an article from Le Figaro Bhagavad Gita translated by Ramanand Prasad Bhagavad Gita in original sanskrit Everything2.com: Now I am become death..., with 11:32 translated by Swami Tripurari Current Biography Yearbook 1964, page 331; this source is mentioned at Bartleby.com
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how much indian eats spices
spices
World Spice Production in tons, 2003–2004, data from FAOSTAT
India
1 600 000
86%
China
66 000
4%
Bangladesh
48 000
3%
Pakistan
45 300
2%
Turkey
33 000
2%
Nepal
15 500
1%
Other countries
60 900
3%
Total
1 868 700
100%
and out of this 86%, 76 % is consumed in india only.
and from this 10 % is exported , which is the half of total world consumption.
that much spice, is eaten by indians, in comparison to the world. that is 24 % for the whole world and 76 % for indians alone.
or
this is about 1 kilo per indian. and rest of the world eats 100 gm. per person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_trade
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http://www.fao.org/english/newsroom/news/2003/20224-en.html
Despite increasing competition from other spice-producing countries, it is estimated that 45 percent of all spices sold around the world come from India. Much of the black pepper exported to Asia, Europe and the United States is grown by small producers in Kerala like Ramachandran Nallathambi.
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http://www.indianembassy.am/eng/indian_agriculture.html
Spices
History indicates the extreme fascination of the world for the fabled wealth of India, especially its spices. India is the largest producer, consumer and exporter of spices in the world. More than half of the world's listed spices are grown in India, and it accounts for more than half of world trade in this sector, exporting its fabulous spices to more than 150 countries. Besides being the foremost producer and exporter of chilli, Indian ginger, one of the oldest known spices in the world, is very highly regarded in global markets for its characteristic lemon like flavour. Among other Indian spices, turmeric is a multipurpose crop valued for its colouring pigment, spicy flavour and medicinal properties. In fact, major pharmaceutical companies are rushing to buy Indian spices for production of medicines and neutraceuticals. Some major Indian medicinal spices are garcinai that contains hydroxy critic acid, an "appetite suppressant", effective against obesity. Piperine from black pepper is a potent inhibitor of drug metabolism, while chillies, usually known as an irritant spice, have counter irritant properties and are used in skin ointments. They also help prevent rectum/colon cancer. Garlic, onion and fenugreek are well known for their properties to reduce cholesterol and to cure diabetes.
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http://www.barc.ernet.in/webpages/special_talks/l_food.htm
India has been the home of quality spices since time immemorial. It produces more than 2 million tonnes of spices every year. Most of these spices are consumed within the country. Only about 10% of the produce is exported but it accounts for about 50% of the world export of spices. Since spices are high value commodities, they are an important source of valuable foreign exchange for the country.
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List of Indian spices
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This article is part of the seriesIndian cuisine
Preparation techniques and cooking items
Handi - Karahi - Tava -Uruli - Other utensils
Regional cuisines
North India
Punjabi – Uttar Pradeshi –Rajasthani – Mughlai -Pahadi – Bhojpuri –Benarasi – BihariKashmiri
South India
Kerala – Tamil –Andhra – Karnataka –Hyderabadi - Mangalorean
East India
Bengali – Oriya
North-East India
Sikkimese – Assamese –Tripuri – Naga
West India
Goan – Gujarati –Maharashtrian/Marathi –Malvani/Konkani – Parsi
Other
Indian Chinese – Nepali –History – Jain (Satvika) –Anglo-Indian – Sindhi –Chettinad – Udupi –Fast food
Ingredients and types of food
Main dishesSweets and dessertsDrinksSnacksSpicesCondiments
See also:
Indian chefsCookbook: Cuisine of India
edit
Indian spices
This is a list of spices commonly used in Indian cuisine.
Curry is not listed, as it is not actually a spice, but rather it is a term which refers to any Indian dish eaten with rice, or more commonly, any dish with a gravy base.
Indian spices are often heated in a pan with oil to intensify the flavor before adding other ingredients.
Aadrak (Ginger)
Aamchur/Amchoor powder (Mango powder)
Achar (pickle)
Ajmud (Celery or Radhuni seed)
Ajmoda (Parsley)
Ajwain (Carom seed)
Amla (Emblica) Gooseberry
Anardana (Pomegranate seed)
Badi Elaichi (Black Cardamom)
Badam (Almond)
Choti Elaichi (Green Cardamom)
Chakra Phool (Star anise)
Chironji (charoli)
Dalchini (Cassia or cinnamon)
Dhania (Coriander seed)
Dhania powder (Coriander powder)
Elaichi (Cardamom)
Garam Masala (Spice mixture)
Gulab Jal (Rosewater)
Gur (unrefined sugar from the sap of the sugarcane or date palm)
Haldi/haldi (Turmeric)
Hara dhaniya (Coriander)
Harad/hime (myrobalan chabulic)
Hari Mirch (Green chili)
Harre
Hing (Asafoetida)
Imli (Tamarind)
Jaggery (unrefined sugar from sugarcane
Jaiphal (Nutmeg)
Javitri (Mace)
Jeera (Cumin) seed
Jethimadh licorice powder
Kadipatta Curry Tree or Sweet Neem leaf
Kaju Cashewnut
Kala Namak or Sanchal Black salt
Kali Mirch (Black peppercorn)
Kalonji Nigella seed
Kasoori Methi (Dried fenugreek leaf)
Katira Gum (Gond Katira)
Kebab Cheeni Allspice
Kesar Saffron
Khajur Dates
Kokum Garcinia indica
Khus Khus Poppy seed
Lahsun (Garlic)
Lal Mirchi ( Red chili)
Lal Mirchi powder (Red chili powder)
Lavang (Cloves)
Mausammi (Sweet lime)
Methi leaves (Fenugreek leaf)
Methi seeds (Fenugreek seed)
Mustard oil
Namak (Salt)
Nimbu (Lemon)
Nimbu (Lime)
Jaiphal Nutmeg
Pudina (Mint)
Kali Mirchi (Black Pepper)
Pilli Mirchi (Yellow Pepper)
Safed Mirchi (White Pepper)
Rai (Black mustard seed)
Rai Kuria (cracked mustard seeds)
Ratin jot (Alkanet root)
Saji (na) phool (Citric acid)
Sarson (mustard seed)
Saunf/Sanchal (Fennel seed)
Shahi Jeera (Black cumin seed)
Sirka (Vinegar)
Soa sag (Dill)
Suwa or Shopa (Aniseed)
Taj (Cinnamon)
Tartri (Citric acid)
Tej Patta (leaf of the cassia tree)
Til (Sesame seed)
Tulsi (Holy Basil)
Vanilla
Zaafraan (Saffron)
Menthulu (Fenugreek Seeds)
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
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World Spice Production in tons, 2003–2004, data from FAOSTAT
India
1 600 000
86%
China
66 000
4%
Bangladesh
48 000
3%
Pakistan
45 300
2%
Turkey
33 000
2%
Nepal
15 500
1%
Other countries
60 900
3%
Total
1 868 700
100%
and out of this 86%, 76 % is consumed in india only.
and from this 10 % is exported , which is the half of total world consumption.
that much spice, is eaten by indians, in comparison to the world. that is 24 % for the whole world and 76 % for indians alone.
or
this is about 1 kilo per indian. and rest of the world eats 100 gm. per person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_trade
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http://www.fao.org/english/newsroom/news/2003/20224-en.html
Despite increasing competition from other spice-producing countries, it is estimated that 45 percent of all spices sold around the world come from India. Much of the black pepper exported to Asia, Europe and the United States is grown by small producers in Kerala like Ramachandran Nallathambi.
##############################################################
http://www.indianembassy.am/eng/indian_agriculture.html
Spices
History indicates the extreme fascination of the world for the fabled wealth of India, especially its spices. India is the largest producer, consumer and exporter of spices in the world. More than half of the world's listed spices are grown in India, and it accounts for more than half of world trade in this sector, exporting its fabulous spices to more than 150 countries. Besides being the foremost producer and exporter of chilli, Indian ginger, one of the oldest known spices in the world, is very highly regarded in global markets for its characteristic lemon like flavour. Among other Indian spices, turmeric is a multipurpose crop valued for its colouring pigment, spicy flavour and medicinal properties. In fact, major pharmaceutical companies are rushing to buy Indian spices for production of medicines and neutraceuticals. Some major Indian medicinal spices are garcinai that contains hydroxy critic acid, an "appetite suppressant", effective against obesity. Piperine from black pepper is a potent inhibitor of drug metabolism, while chillies, usually known as an irritant spice, have counter irritant properties and are used in skin ointments. They also help prevent rectum/colon cancer. Garlic, onion and fenugreek are well known for their properties to reduce cholesterol and to cure diabetes.
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http://www.barc.ernet.in/webpages/special_talks/l_food.htm
India has been the home of quality spices since time immemorial. It produces more than 2 million tonnes of spices every year. Most of these spices are consumed within the country. Only about 10% of the produce is exported but it accounts for about 50% of the world export of spices. Since spices are high value commodities, they are an important source of valuable foreign exchange for the country.
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List of Indian spices
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
This article is part of the seriesIndian cuisine
Preparation techniques and cooking items
Handi - Karahi - Tava -Uruli - Other utensils
Regional cuisines
North India
Punjabi – Uttar Pradeshi –Rajasthani – Mughlai -Pahadi – Bhojpuri –Benarasi – BihariKashmiri
South India
Kerala – Tamil –Andhra – Karnataka –Hyderabadi - Mangalorean
East India
Bengali – Oriya
North-East India
Sikkimese – Assamese –Tripuri – Naga
West India
Goan – Gujarati –Maharashtrian/Marathi –Malvani/Konkani – Parsi
Other
Indian Chinese – Nepali –History – Jain (Satvika) –Anglo-Indian – Sindhi –Chettinad – Udupi –Fast food
Ingredients and types of food
Main dishesSweets and dessertsDrinksSnacksSpicesCondiments
See also:
Indian chefsCookbook: Cuisine of India
edit
Indian spices
This is a list of spices commonly used in Indian cuisine.
Curry is not listed, as it is not actually a spice, but rather it is a term which refers to any Indian dish eaten with rice, or more commonly, any dish with a gravy base.
Indian spices are often heated in a pan with oil to intensify the flavor before adding other ingredients.
Aadrak (Ginger)
Aamchur/Amchoor powder (Mango powder)
Achar (pickle)
Ajmud (Celery or Radhuni seed)
Ajmoda (Parsley)
Ajwain (Carom seed)
Amla (Emblica) Gooseberry
Anardana (Pomegranate seed)
Badi Elaichi (Black Cardamom)
Badam (Almond)
Choti Elaichi (Green Cardamom)
Chakra Phool (Star anise)
Chironji (charoli)
Dalchini (Cassia or cinnamon)
Dhania (Coriander seed)
Dhania powder (Coriander powder)
Elaichi (Cardamom)
Garam Masala (Spice mixture)
Gulab Jal (Rosewater)
Gur (unrefined sugar from the sap of the sugarcane or date palm)
Haldi/haldi (Turmeric)
Hara dhaniya (Coriander)
Harad/hime (myrobalan chabulic)
Hari Mirch (Green chili)
Harre
Hing (Asafoetida)
Imli (Tamarind)
Jaggery (unrefined sugar from sugarcane
Jaiphal (Nutmeg)
Javitri (Mace)
Jeera (Cumin) seed
Jethimadh licorice powder
Kadipatta Curry Tree or Sweet Neem leaf
Kaju Cashewnut
Kala Namak or Sanchal Black salt
Kali Mirch (Black peppercorn)
Kalonji Nigella seed
Kasoori Methi (Dried fenugreek leaf)
Katira Gum (Gond Katira)
Kebab Cheeni Allspice
Kesar Saffron
Khajur Dates
Kokum Garcinia indica
Khus Khus Poppy seed
Lahsun (Garlic)
Lal Mirchi ( Red chili)
Lal Mirchi powder (Red chili powder)
Lavang (Cloves)
Mausammi (Sweet lime)
Methi leaves (Fenugreek leaf)
Methi seeds (Fenugreek seed)
Mustard oil
Namak (Salt)
Nimbu (Lemon)
Nimbu (Lime)
Jaiphal Nutmeg
Pudina (Mint)
Kali Mirchi (Black Pepper)
Pilli Mirchi (Yellow Pepper)
Safed Mirchi (White Pepper)
Rai (Black mustard seed)
Rai Kuria (cracked mustard seeds)
Ratin jot (Alkanet root)
Saji (na) phool (Citric acid)
Sarson (mustard seed)
Saunf/Sanchal (Fennel seed)
Shahi Jeera (Black cumin seed)
Sirka (Vinegar)
Soa sag (Dill)
Suwa or Shopa (Aniseed)
Taj (Cinnamon)
Tartri (Citric acid)
Tej Patta (leaf of the cassia tree)
Til (Sesame seed)
Tulsi (Holy Basil)
Vanilla
Zaafraan (Saffron)
Menthulu (Fenugreek Seeds)
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
Retrieved
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